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Carlo pagulayan did these to illustrate what the @lesstitsnass


Carlo Pagulayan did these to illustrate what the poses would look like on a 3D model. You can find his original post here.

If you can’t access the link, Mr. Pagulayan comments:

Seeing the two covers I didn’t see anything wrong with the poses. Granted Land’s depiction of Silk’s anatomy is a bit fragile for my taste, but the pose still works.

SInce I don’t have a female model on call, I had to whip out Daz3d again to illustrate how the poses are perfectly plausible.

Being too technical makes some works stiff and generic, and to me the cover artist’s executions add a bit of grace compared to the other’s suggested corrections, which tends to be a bit more masculine.

A good artist can think in 3 dimensions and figure out how a figure would work. While also thinking of the field of view, or whatever lens effect (Fisheye, extrem perspective, etc). But then not all artist think the same or have the same imagination, and what you think is right, isn’t always the case for everyone, especially when you have different art styles.

That said, I’m sticking with the covers which to me are definitely better

Edit/Add: Also who’s to know what are the anatomical limitations of someone imbued with spider powers?

And on a personal note, you and your followers should probably look more at Milo Manara’s body of work before making all sorts of assumptions based on one not so great cover. Spider-Woman is NOT SQUATTING like you assumed. She is in the middle of climbing up a building with one leg still dangling off.

And your ‘correction’ of Greg Land’s cover looks like they’re in a jazz recital, not superheroes. 

Where do I start? 

First of all, I have to say thank you to Mr. Pagulayan for building a critique of my critique based on the critique itself. I can appreciate that. You are of course entitled to your opinion, and hope you will continue to let me be entitled to mine. 

You say you have no problem with the covers and that’s fine, but I do have a problem with them and that’s fine too. You’ve built 3D models to illustrate your points, and that takes a bit of extra dedication that I respect. Nicely done. I’d like to bring your attention to the differences between your 3D models and the actual cover art. 

When I redlined Greg Land’s cover, it was mostly because it was combined with Manara’s cover, which I found was a bigger issue. Land’s art is often traced, and what your 3D model shows me is that he possibly went from tracing photos to tracing 3D models. Hey, it’s fine to use reference to do your art! Manga Studio is built to have this exact functionality: importing 3D models and positioning them as you need in order to create your comic book art. That’s a really helpful tool, but sometimes, for some people, it becomes too much of a crutch in art. It stiffens everything up, plus there’s the fact that 3D models can be twisted in such a way that it goes beyond what is actually possible for a human body. 

As for Manara’s cover, where did I say anything against the man, or his body of work, at any point in my critique? I talked about this piece, this pose being problematic because of its overt sexuality where no sexual context was involved. I’ve explained this within my post. It saddens me how people jumped to conclusions about how I was insulting Manara’s body of work or his anatomy when all I commented on was the posing. 

Anyway, on to pictures. 

Oh, and for the record, dear submitter, they look like they’re in a jazz recital in the original cover, as well. I didn’t change the pose much at all. As for your comment of my drawings being more masculine, maybe it’s because you’re so used to seeing women drawn all about boobs and butts that anything out of that mold means femininity is lost. 

This said, I think it bears repeating: 

As comicartcorrections once posted

FYI, Comic Artists and Fanboys and Defenders of the Bad Anatomy!  Above is a beautiful example of sexuality on display versus a woman that is doing something awesome.

On the top: Sexy.
On the bottom: Woman At Work, Being Awesome.

Nothing wrong with the top.  But don’t be drawing the top when your character is busy being the bottom one, okay?  Thank you.

Eschergirls joodit submitted let me just @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

Let me just say that while I was scrolling to see the great critiques for Milo Manara’s Spider Woman as soon as that cover was released, I saw this little number & for some reason I couldn’t help but redraw this..

Personally this cover was weak in many ways, and definitely this article as a response & redraw was PERFECT.  The problem was in the way their body language was to convey conflict. There was no conflict.  AT ALL.

First of all, Batgirl’s leg was wrapped around Scorpiana’s thigh (WHY?).  This confused me because there was NOTHING in that image that would want Batgirl to STAY with Scorpiana (an electrified pincer-like attack & giant back-of-the-head stinger to the face are some things that should be avoided).  Then there’s the “tugging of the hair..embrace?”!  I thought the hair tugging is what made Batgirl wrap her leg around Scorpiana, maybe try to counteract the balance of being pulled in another direction..?  Nope.  The tension wasn’t pulling at her hair more than it was to disguise the fact that Scorpiana was pulling Batgirl IN.

And just putting it out there, these COMPLETELY different body languages (i.e. Batgirl pushing everything every which way AWAY from her only to WRAP HERSELF AROUND the villain..?!) make any sense?!  Did their minds say “no” but their bodies say “yes”!?

Anyway..upon observing just these two details, it was clear to me that this was some awkward tango-esque fight scene.  And in some digging (thanks Google), the artist’s intentions WERE to create a fight scene reminiscent of the tango (mainly because Scorpiana is an Argentinian villain & the most famous of Argentine dances is the tango)!  While I applaud his efforts for trying to create a scene of conflict with a famous dance..the tango is a very sensual, sexy dance.  His hint about using a move from the famous dance is more like a blunt object to the head, which ultimately dazes & confuses you into thinking that there was more of a sex vibe than a cultural one.

It’s difficult to incorporate something into an artwork without having your original intentions be skewed upon releasing it to the public because not EVERYONE has the same way of thinking.  And honestly, I would have just thought that this was just another anatomically-incorrect-for-the-sake-of-hot-babe-action.  Instead, I now see it as an anatomically-incorrect-for-the-sake-of-trying-to-be-subtly-cultural.

Speaking of anatomy, Batgirl’s spine is quite honestly thee thinnest, bendiest spine I have seen in a while.  Why?  It seems like the elasticity of her spine has made itself clear in her neck. Pushing her back & pushing her neck in opposite directions will surely sever that poor thing that is her skeletal structure.  As well as her head that seems to be unaware it’s moving too far away.  But for whatever reason, as structurally unsound her body looks, Batgirl lives.  Believe me when I say my rendering of anatomy is NOT accurate, but if it LOOKS somewhat structurally sound then it can work.  This cover didn’t have that stability.

In the redraw, I immediately discarded the fact that this was meant to be a tango scene (and while the tango is sexual, it also conveys a strong feeling of trust..I mean, look at how close & how fluid tango partners are with their movements.  IT’S FREAKIN’ AWESOME, but that is NOT the feeling I wanted to convey between Batgirl & Scorpiana).  I also tried NOT to have Batgirl’s body bend in an unnatural fashion.

I tried to create a scenario where the very details I noticed about the image that threw me off were to be justified.  I had the Scorpiana threatening Batgirl off the ledge of a building by her hair (sorry for not drawing the buildings, maybe next time..), stinging her with her stinger or pincer-like thing or choke her.  This would all justify why Batgirl would wrap her leg around Scorpiana’s thigh.

Is my redraw anatomically accurate?  Nope.  But at least Batgirl’s head isn’t poppin’ off any time soon, nor are the two going to dance while killing each other.

Thanks for all the work you did to explain what’s going on in the original, and finding out the intent of the artist! :)  I had thought it looked like a dance too (as had another redrawer) but it’s good to know for sure.

And also thanks for going through your entire thought process as to why you drew your version the way you did, and what you thought it should convey thematically.  I love seeing different people’s takes on pictures featured on this blog, and I especially enjoy reading people’s breakdowns of what the scene evoked for them and how they see it.

It’s good to know that the original artist intended this to be a tango-like pose, but I definitely agree that this required retooling. This is very nicely done. 

Its a two fer courtesy of dcwomenkickingass @lesstitsnass

It’s a two-fer! Courtesy of @dcwomenkickingass, and specifically this post, I had to do an edit of these, while my storyboards wait. 

I’m not going to go into long explanations here, I hope the drawings do speak for themselves. In the first case, it’s a Land being Land, although I do have to say that he did give a butt to Silk, as opposed to his usual ablation of hips and gluteus maximi. However, he unfortunately did it wrong. 

Artistic anatomy is all about drawing structure, from the inside out. Your muscles by themselves can’t look right if they aren’t placed on top of a properly proportioned skeleton.  Boobs won’t look right if they aren’t drawn as following the curve of the ribcage, its center line, or the movement of the arms which either pull or push on the pectorals on which the breasts hang. The arms back mean the shoulders are lowered, and the angle of the hands will be different since there’s a ¾ turn on the torso. It shows that Land is drawing by guessed shapes, copied contours and practiced repeated motions. There’s no real structure underneath his shapes.

And if we look at the legs, I can only picture Kitty Pride phasing out of a wall: the legs look like they got mangled up to look like stumps. But even structure-wise, there is no thought put into whether the pose actually works, which is why it looks so clumsy. The legs should be reversed due to the line of action that’s in the torso but not followed through into the pelvis and legs. And I’ve been using the coil technique a lot in order to make my volumes work - it should be obvious by the roughs above - which help me figure out things like foreshortening. 

Silk too was a problem of lack of structure, proportions all over the place, and lack of weight and purpose, but it felt moreso than Spiderwoman. I used the same pose Land did but worked out the skeleton first, using rotation arcs in order to properly proportion the length of the various limbs. I don’t know these characters and I might not have used these poses, but Silk here definitely looks like she’s dancing.

The variant cover by Manara looks like a pose right out of porn, pelvis up and cheeks spread, costume looking like body paint, and it makes me very uncomfortable. She doesn’t look like a superhero about to strike, she looks like she’s about to get… well, it’s a porn pose. This is sexualisation. It also reminds me of the Dog Bone sexy shape. 

So I turned the pose sideways to figure it out, and to see what would work better. The sideways pose as is, as you can see, is angled to do quite the opposite of ass-kicking. Were she to try to leap from that pose, she’d fall flat on her face. The second pose is the “coiled like a spring”, but in the camera angle of the cover, it’s an ugly, ugly pose. So I tried to do something in-between, and just by making the pelvis horizontal and lifting the torso off the ground, I’ve managed to move the center of gravity so her weight is on her feet instead of her knees, she can use her arms to maneuver in most directions, and you still get an interesting body shape to look at. I think this works better, and much more ready to spring into motion.

Wanted also to say thanks for all the reblogs, likes and recent follows! I appreciate each one of them, and it’s because you’re still sharing and commenting that I came back to do this. However I’m still really busy! I won’t be posting a lot, but I do plan on posting more than I have. Back to storyboards for me! 

Kanthara oh hey artists and those who want to @lesstitsnass

kanthara:

Oh hey artists and those who want to be artists!

Betty Edwards’ book “Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain” is available as a starter kit at Chapters! I don’t know if the kit is available online, but I saw it on one of the tables on my way out of the store. You can check Indigo, as well, since it’s all the same company.

This is one of those how to draw books that I readily recommend because I find it is the best book to learn how to draw what you see, not what you know. If you don’t have it yet and have a Chapters near by, go and get it. It’s worth it.

Kanthara krudman why yes yes i am a @lesstitsnass

kanthara:

krudman:

Why, yes. Yes, I am a character designer that works in the game industry. How could you tell???

THIS SO MUCH THIS I pointed this out in lesstitsnass and it’s so very true. And wrong.
Dawnbest reftastic swegener speaking of @lesstitsnass

dawnbest:

reftastic:

swegener:

Speaking of different body shapes. These are all basically peak human bodies. 

How come 99% of them don’t conform to what the entertainment industry tells us is the perfect body?

This is a FABULOUS set of body refs. So glad this came back across my dash so I could reblog it here :D

Totally reblogging it too cuz I lost it the last 3294 times I saw it on the interbutts. GJ!

I know you probably have seen this before, but here it is again. I love that this includes males bodies as well, and is a great reference for anyone wanting to design a various cast of characters. The mere size difference between some neighbours on some photos should give you artists great pointers on how to portray height variation in a believable way to your viewers!

(Also that way I have it in a place I'l remember and will be able to get it whenever I need it so there.)

Eschergirls ghostarin submitted redrew this @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

ghostarin submitted:

Redrew this

I’m certainly not the best at stuff like this, but at least she’s not broken anymore.I could have spread the legs a -little- more to make it more dynamic though.

I also fixed her top/collar cause I couldn’t figure out how they made sense in the other picture. I also gave her shorts under her… kimono-thing. I figured if you knew your dress would constantly give you panty shots, I’d wear shorts under. I think most would do that.

I think the best way to reply to this is the @lesstitsnass

I think the best way to reply to this is the phrase I used before: Sexualisation is adding sexual content without sexual context. Also, sexiness is about the person himself or herself (or whichever gender identity applies to them) feeling like they are appealing, being happy with the way they feel, and that confidence is thus sensed, perceived or otherwise noticed by the viewer (in the drawing/photo and out of it) who can interpret it as “this person/character is sexy”. 

Therefore, pinups can be sexy, if the character drawn in the pinup is designed as acting like they’re aware and happy of the effect they have on themselves, and secondarily on their audience. This is what I mean by story. If you look at the picture of Wolverine and Jungle Girl (or whoever she is), the story the picture tells you is that Wolverine is grinning like he’s a psychopath about to slice and dice someone, and the girl is posed as if she’s trying to seduce someone who’s off camera. I’m not seeing a team-up here. I’m seeing passive poses, eager-to-hack-and-slash Wolverine standing next to eye candy I can’t take seriously as a person, and I have no interest in learning more about her, or about what Wolverine is doing in that jungle in the first place. This is bad storytelling, when comics are about telling stories with pictures. 

Porn, Playboy photos and pinups ARE sexual context by nature. They are designed to titillate, to excite, and the participants are willing. Yes, some art is tasteless, some drawings are bad, some photos are awful, but it doesn’t change the fact that the context is there. If the content of the photo showed a woman in only an apron in the kitchen making googoo eyes at her man/the camera while baking a pie, I might call it sexist, but not sexualised, because she’s doing the sexy thing on purpose and within a sexual context. 

Hope that clears it up!

Maverynthia lesstitsnass hi guys i missed @lesstitsnass

maverynthia:

lesstitsnass:

Hi guys, I missed you and I missed doing this! 

I got this question sometime last week, and I had to mull it over for a while because whether it’s intended or not, this is a loaded question, and I had a hard time finding the words to properly respond. Then, I got somewhat caught up on Laci Green’svideosandtumblr, and that’s when it hit me: how to answer this question. 

Your question confuses Sexism, Sexiness and Sexualisation.While related because they are all questions about sex and society, they are not the same thing. 

[snip]

 Drawing a woman with sexy clothing is not sexist if you’re doing it because that’s the way your character is - her personality, her motivation, her story.

That’s loaded right there because MANY.. MANY artist use that as an excuse to support their sexist artwork “Well that’s just how the character is!!” The author/artist is behind the characters motivations and the character only does what the author/artist wants them to do. The character has no free will. It’s the author’s/artists personality for her, the author/artists motivations for her and the story set out by the author/artist. The character is not alive and has no free will.
So saying “Well that just the character!” Won’t hold water with me and I’ll still call it misogynistic crap. It’s better to own up to it and try to explain WHY you need a sexy character than to just think the character is some how alive and decided all that stuff themselves.

I think you missed my point. 

I know very well that the character is a creation of the author and/or artist. When I talk about the character this way, I’m appealing to the writers and artists to think about their character and tell the story about them, in words and/or art. I’m not giving them a free pass to draw misogynistic crap. If it’s misogynistic, sure, call them out. Don’t assume however that every sexy drawing out there needs to have a Big Reason To Exist As They Are. Sometimes it’s just fun to draw a sexy character, because it makes ME, the artist, feel sexy doing it, even if no one can see me. And I put that sexiness in the character through intent, attitude and body language, not just with clothes or pose-that-shows-the-most.

Hello there i hope you will accept this post @lesstitsnass

Hello there! I hope you will accept this post. It’s not my best work - I didn’t spend enough time with it as I should’ve have. Long story short: the outfits on the original picture were simply ridiculous (see here), I had to re-do them! Yes, “Freesia”’s anatomy is doomed but it would take a complete re-draw to fix, and I was mainly focused on the outfits here. (But I did fix Uni’s and Socie’s waists - not Harmonys’ because I was lazy and I can just pretend that obi is extremely tight.)

I don’t believe you have to cover up absolutely everything to make a outfit seem okay - but dressing them like that… it’s just no. Their outfits doesn’t tell me anything. Nothing but FANSERVICE all over the place. Nothing about the story or their characters - just - HEY, boobs, butts, legs and crotches! I mean god damn - what was that material out of? And why wouldn’t they wear underwear - really? And BUTT CLEAVAGE? Again - I personally don’t mind when they show some skin - just… don’t make it ridiculous. Just don’t.

I also have nothing against shorts - although they were extremely tiny on Freesia - but I found it annoying that all three girls had thigh-high socks.

But yeah. I hope you like it! 

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I do! 

Sorry I didn’t get to post this earlier. You did a really good job here and I should have posted this way before but I got so completely trampled with life and storyboards… anyway. 

Your costume redesigns have turned these girls from sexualised back into sexy (except for that last contortionist pose, no amount of fixed clothing will save that pose from sexualisation) because they now look like they’re wearing actual clothes instead of carefully applied tape (heck, that first one should have areola showing) and carefully applied tape like this is usually a design created to make men horny, not for women to feel sexy. 

(That said, I’ve seen some seriously sexy and well-owned “carefully applied tape” cosplay and burlesque, and wow. What a difference attitude makes.)

Thanks for submitting!

Hi guys i missed you and i missed doing this i @lesstitsnass

Hi guys, I missed you and I missed doing this! 

I got this question sometime last week, and I had to mull it over for a while because whether it’s intended or not, this is a loaded question, and I had a hard time finding the words to properly respond. Then, I got somewhat caught up on Laci Green’s videos and tumblr, and that’s when it hit me: how to answer this question. 

Your question confuses Sexism, Sexiness and Sexualisation. While related because they are all questions about sex and society, they are not the same thing. 

In the following text, I’m using “she” to make the text lighter, and because this blog is mainly about the sexualisation of female characters in comics. People of any gender can experience the following states.

Sexism is disparaging someone because of their sexual or gender identity. Clothes are not inherently sexist. People can be. Drawing a woman with sexy clothing is not sexist if you’re doing it because that’s the way your character is - her personality, her motivation, her story. 

Sexiness is something a person feels and expresses about themselves. A person who is sexy is a person who is confident in her body, mind, attitude, whether she’s acting in a sexual mindset or not. She is attractive, people may find her sexy even if she’s smudged and dirty wearing unshapely coveralls while drywalling a room, because she exudes confidence and accomplishment. A person might feel sexy because they’re wearing a set of frilly underwear even if no one else gets to see them. Even a person who messes up can be sexy, if they feel like it’s okay to mess up and know they can fix it or do better the next time. Sexy is something a person is, for themselves, that can be noticed and appreciated by other people.

Some examples of my art, where I’ve drawn sexy women:

In a sexual context: 

Sexy in a NOT sexual context (because she just doesn’t give a crap what people think and rocks that corset): 

Sexualisation is using sex-appeal for the viewer’s gaze only. It’s not about the person anymore, it’s about showing choice bits of a person like she’s a thing to titillate the audience. It’s about boobs and butt in the same shot, making sure you break that spine so “dat ass” is up there. It’s about ripping clothes strategically to make viewers horny. It’s about the things done so people see it and go “I’d tap that” instead of “I’d make love to her”. See there? “That” instead of “her”. 

Sexualisation is also very much about adding sexual content without sexual context. “Oh noes! We are being attacked by a horde of zombies! This must be why I’m thrusting my ass at them while turning at the swivel-hip so both my gravity-defying boobs can be seen practically bursting out of my ripped top!” Um, no. 

This is sexualisation: 

As is this: 

Because the poses are exaggerated and don’t make any sense story-wise. 

So go ahead and draw your sexy girls in crop tops: if they own their looks, if they as a character do it for themselves, and not just because you want people to ogle your art and see sexual attributes without being interested in finding the character underneath, then you shouldn’t worry. 

A last piece of art to close this. This is fan art I did for a series of comics made by friends of mine called L'Académie des chasseurs de primes. You could say all three characters are sexy in their own way. All three show their personality through their clothing and their attitudes. Only the last one uses her sex appeal as part of her sexiness, and that works. 

Nechayano ok i was recently reminded that this @lesstitsnass

nechayano:

Ok I was recently reminded that this exists (i-I think someone DA-famous linked it or something because WHAT) and I think this may be relevant to tumblr’s interests so here’s my~female body variation tutorial~ whoo~

This came from some things I scribbled down when I was trying to keep my character designs consistent, and I realised that it kinda made me see bodies/proportions somewhat differently so I pasted it into this smarmy old tutorial, now cut up into (I hope) tumblr-friendly chunks so right-click for full size I think? (disclaimer: I don’t know anything and it is so far past my bedtime that it’s been tomorrow for a whole day so I’m going to nap and then maybe regret posting this.)

I’m posting this because it addresses every single reply I get about asking for body variation and being told “I don’t want muffin-top in my videogames/comics”. Body variation does NOT automatically mean “make the women fat”. This reminds me of that Dove beauty commercial, especially that last lineup. I have it somewhere, I’ll have to post it. 

KARINE GET BACK TO YOUR STORYBOARDS *whipcrack*

Im not dead just a hi and thanks for sticking @lesstitsnass

I’m not dead! 

Just a hi and thanks for sticking around and sorry I haven’t been here and all that stuff. This show has been very demanding of my time, so much so that I had to step down from another storyboard gig that I was really looking forward to, started, and was supposed to do part time. I also haven’t had any time to work on Sunset Val, which is my other much loved project, which I’ll hopefully be getting back to bright and early in the new year. There have also been family issues to deal with, and they are ongoing, fluctuating, but at the moment better and hopefully in a direction towards resolution. 

Mostly, I haven’t been reading any comics, or looking at any comics blogs or such because I’ve been swamped with work and deadlines. I’m taking a bit of time this morning to post this because in the last few days there’s been a few asks sent my way and I will get to them, it’s just… aaagh. I do miss this terribly but deadlines and family come first! 

I’ve changed the way I work on Martha Speaks boards, and hopefully this will be less time consuming for me. I’m loving this show, it’s fun and cleverly written stories in a nice looking package. I’m glad to be a part of it, but I miss making comics and the blog. I miss interacting with you guys, getting your feedback, and both teaching and learning from you.

Thanks again for sticking around!

Gailsimone dangerous ladies bam nailed it @lesstitsnass

gailsimone:

dangerous-ladies:

BAM! Nailed it. Park’s lucky I didn’t crack a tile with that landing!

Cosplayer is Jenn, photo by Josh.


Gorgeous, great costume, perfect acting.

Supergirl lives (and I want to write her!).

You know what? I’m reblogging this because of a sarcastic comment my husband made, smirking at me all along, “But look at her stomach overlap over her belt, that’s just wrong, don’t you know Kryptonians have invulnerable, retractable skin that molds perfectly to her pose?” Seriously listen to this point he’s making, about how art in comics refuses to show any kind of skin fold or flesh pucker for fear of drawing the dreaded FAT. Life drawing teaches artists about the existence of these skin folds! They are routinely being erased from models in magazines and aren’t being drawn by several artists in comics. They aren’t wrong, they aren’t ugly, and they are natural and actually appealing and interesting visually, because they communicate movement and volume. For the record, that cosplay is awesome, that photo really well timed, and that pose has been added to my reference library.
Avengers vs x men the broken spine and no pelvis @lesstitsnass

Avengers Vs. X-Men, the broken spine and no pelvis edition.

At first glance of the thumbnail of this cover, I thought it was drawn by Greg Land, because he is an artist commonly known for making women’s hips and asses vanish. I know this isn’t the case, as this cover was drawn by Mike Deodato, so I have to wonder how this happened. 

I decided to deal with each character independently. The more obvious issue of spine breakage will be addressed first. The problems here aren’t just about the spine being broken sideways for the sake of dynamism and maybe showing some butt: as you can see from that second picture, the action of the body and the secondary action of the hair and cape are contradictory. This is a somewhat classic “jumping away from the thing I’m shooting at” and yet the hair and cape are being dragged towards the target of the shooting. The shoulders are way too wide, probably due to a bit of confusion of where everything should be with the guns hiding part of the body. As for the spine, yes, it can bend sideways, but as a curve, and not as much as it is here. The rib cage is vertical and the pelvis is horizontal, with a definite snap in the middle. A real person couldn’t bend that far, even if lying down on the floor sideways and pushing their torso up with their arms. In any case, there’s a whole issue of flesh folds that’s completely absent from this picture, too. Even a skin and bones woman will have flesh pinching because the skin will overlap itself in you press the hips towards the rib cage. The absence of this fold is not an indication of thinness, it is a mistake in drawing. Heck, it’s the kind of detail that often gets photoshopped off of models in fashion magazines.

So then I address the way the form should have been. I placed my line of action, the line of the shoulders and contraposto line of the hips, keeping in mind the direction of the action. Add rib cage and pelvis as basic shapes. With that in, I solidify my skeleton. I chose to have a leg extended and a leg bent here, it makes for a more dynamic silhouette and emphasizes the sideways movement. Could I have kept the bent legs? Sure, but not the way they were drawn, unless I changed the entire upper body. Another way this could have worked is switch which leg is bent and have the other extended, with the body turning away from the target of gunfire.

In fleshing out the body, I thoughts of the stretch and pinch, and I also changed the direction of the secondary action of the hair and cape.  

Spider-Man seemed odd to me, especially that weird big bulge below his thigh, so I had to go in and figure out where his pelvis was actually plotted. I realized in reworking the image that his thigh is actually way too long: if you continued the arc of rotation towards the shoulder, it would come up to his mouth when it should line up below his shoulder. I shortened it, and fixed the exaggerated butt and thigh muscle bulge and valley, as these muscles are actually relaxed, not flexed in this position. (Poor Spidey.)

Note, though, that the original Spidey DOES have that flesh pinch at the waist, the one that wasn’t drawn on the woman (sorry, I don’t read this comic, I don’t know who she is), because his spine, while shown as pretty flexible, actually follows a realistic curve, and his ribs and hips work. Hm.

And now for Hope Summers: a new pelvis, mostly. A little bit of a fix of the ribcage and breast placement, but that’s nitpicking, whereas the absent hips and straight line down from the ribs to the knee is really weird. It’s a fairly straightforward fix.  

Which brings me to this bit about behinds, and the seeming reluctance of artists to draw real bums. I keep seeing those illustrations in comics and in fantasy art, those weird crouching poses that have arched backs and butts sticking up and out, which make me think of fart jokes far more than I should. I also shake my head a lot at Greg Land-ish lack of butts and hips to go with them, and also Barbie-like legs that attach to a thong and show no butt, just a thigh that starts at the waist. To address this, have a little tutorial. 

Sephiramy enough of you seemed interested or @lesstitsnass

sephiramy:

Enough of you seemed interested, or at least curious!, about this, so I gave it a shot! It is rather short and condenses lots of information, but I think it manages to get its points across, especially if someone is a beginner and needs to learn the very bare (no pun intended - well, maybe a little) basics.

Like I said, someday maybe I will do a more detailed version with more on clothes and how it can affect shape, but that would also require me to conquer my fear of tutorials for a second time. WE’LL SEE.

ALSO. It wouldn’t be a proper tutorial on anatomical structure, if I didn’t put a disclaimer down here and say that there is never a good substitute for life drawing or real study of the human body if you want to learn the correct way something works. Even the examples shown here are stylized, so ENJOY but bear this warning in mind!

I cannot stress how much truth there is to all of the above. And I personally hope, Sephiramy, that you do tackle and beat your fear of tutorials again, because this is very well done. Thank you for this! 

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It’s CK/ title="http://virtualcara.tumblr.com"virtualcara again!

I don’t even know where to start with this cover (Suicide Squad #1, cover by Ryan Benjamin), there is just too much wrong with the way Harley is shown here. So I’ll try and point out the things that aren’t. 

- You can see that her shoulders and hips are on a different angle from each other. This is correct, it happens when a person walks. The forward leg’s hip will rise while the shoulder on the same side dips to maintain balance.

- Her boobs seem to be obeying gravity, which is normally a rare thing to see in comics. HOWEVER in this context, she’s wearing a laced corset top which has no support to stay on aside from how tight the lacings are. Unless it’s using tape or spirit gum on the underside I’d expect to see more breast distortion there (this is roughly half of what corsets were designed to do, during a time when small breasts were considered more attractive - the other half is to distort the ribs & waist to make hips appear wider and more childbirth-y).

- Line of action (red line) - the composition doesn’t have any unfortunate implications that would lead the viewer’s eye to stay on T or A, instead it goes right up and into the logo space. 

What I changed:

I added more definition and weight to Harley’s torso, giving her a pelvis and I gave her breasts a bit more support - though even while they look more less implausible they still look a bit unnatural (see: corset). I also brought out her right arm so it was visible and made her raised arm slightly shorter so it wasn’t as exaggerated with the other changes.

What would make this even better:

A different costume. In Batman Beyond, Harley’s granddaughters pulled off a great halter/hotpants outfit while appearing practical and comfortable.  This one is incredibly busy and doesn’t seem nearly as economical as the DeeDees. 

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eschergirls:

lesstitsnass:

Supergirl #1, huh?

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That’s Ian Churchill… and unfortunately he has much experience drawing women (whether he draws them well however, is another question).  Also, that’s actually issue #0 not #1.  I was a HUGE HUGE HUGE Supergirl fan at the time and so psyched that they had brought Kara back to the DCU, and Ian Churchill (and the terrible writing by Loeb and Kelly) just ruined the entire thing for me.  If you look at my Supergirl comic reviews at the time you can read all about it

Churchill drew her REALLY thin (especially her arms and calves/ankles), and within the comic book, she was bra-less and underwear-less and her costume was vacuum sealed onto her breasts.  It was really annoying.  I avoid posting just every singe picture Churchill ever did of that series simply because a lot of the times the complaint would just be “Supergirl’s too thin and has muscles so therefore her bones must be pipe cleaners”.  He also can only draw one female face.

Ian Churchill’s art on Supergirl really is what started my realization about the ways artists were drawing women in comic books, and who they were drawing them for, that Supergirl, who, to me, is the heroic, female avatar representation of the Superman S symbol and all it represents, her reboot was not for me.  Having Turner and Churchill on the art and how they drew her made it pretty clear, it was meant for something else, and she wasn’t there to be heroic (and during the Turner/Loeb/Churchill/Kelly run, she wasn’t) she was there to be somebody’s blonde 16 year old fantasy girl. 

In many ways, you can thank Ian Churchill, more than any other artist (even Rob Liefeld) for starting the thought process which eventually led to me creating this blog. xD

 Anyway, sorry for the tangent, I just wanted to fill you in on the artist that you were re-drawing.  I agree with you that there’s nothing really “wrong” to redraw, but what you did made me smile huge because it’s Supergirl and I think you made her look awesome, so I wanted to reblog it and tell you. :)

Holy crap, and there I was thinking this was just a bad drawing due to inexperience… Well, I was partly right: it’s due to inexperience at drawing real women. 

And thanks Ami! I’m glad you like my (messy) redraw!

Part of me thought I should be looking up WHO drew the image before I decided whether this was a T&A case or not, but then I thought knowing who did the art (and whether they already have a history of liberally bending the rules of anatomy in order to cater to horny straight males) might make me biased against them. That, or it was so late in the evening and I was tired. Or something.

Knowing now what Churchill’s been up to (and recognising the art you’ve linked as things I’ve been shocked by before, eek, ow, and on my list of possible corrections), I’m definitely seeing the pattern here. This illustration above is weak, as I’d stated before, because of its poor construction, and because of the bad habits Churchill’s taken, like putting the belt on Supergirl pretty much at the pubic bone, if not lower, while the hem of the skirt barely covers the buttocks; like making the torso way too skinny and super long; like making the arms and legs unrealistically thin, likely because he has learned drawing from looking at other comics rather than drawing from life. It’s a pattern, it’s bad habits he would need to break. 

When I see patterns like that, it makes me wonder if anyone mentions these things (or make similar comments) to artists. I’m of the opinion that unless you are told there’s a problem., chances are you won’t know about it, or that you have to fix it. If no one’s edited Churchill’s work or told him, “Put some flesh on that woman, man, she’s too skinny to look good”, or even mentioned something like, “Are you sure this is right?”, how can he possibly change the way he works? If he’s getting hired to draw books, maybe he doesn’t see that he can up his game and how he can become better. Maybe doing the same old thing keeps him employed, and that’s enough for him. 

Too bad it’s not enough for us. 

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Supergirl #1, huh?

So I received this question, and I went to look up the picture. And for the first time, I’m actually conflicted. 

And by conflicted, I mean that I couldn’t decide whether I should or shouldn’t be editing this drawing. Because as odd as it seems anatomically, it’s not due to the desire of the artist to show as much T&A as possible. In this case… it’s just a weak drawing, done by someone who’s possibly not used to drawing women. 

If I just focus on the line quality, the muscular definition is way too detailed on Supergirl. I can understand that she’s Super Strong and all that, but she’s still a teenager (especially in the reboot) and women naturally have more body fat between muscle and skin, so unless Supergirl has been on a major fat burning diet in order to compete in a body building competition, she shouldn’t be showing every single bump in the abs and arms and legs. 

The movement should show that she’s flying up and tilting back as she’s doing it. That’s what her body’s telling me; however, her hair, skirt and cape are going all over the place, no direction to their action, which makes the actual action really hard to determine. And yes, anatomy-wise, there are things wrong, like the ribs being way too far apart from the pelvis. Also it’s pretty skewed, which you can see when you flip the image like a mirror. But again… I can’t see this drawing as being a candidate for this blog. 

However… Well, I’d worked on it, so I decided to just keep going. 

One of the problems is detailed in the caption here: What's going on

I suspect, however, that the artist wasn’t thinking of a sideways bend as much as a backwards bend, like she flew up and is about to curve back and maybe do a flip. That made me go and fix the perspective to what it should have been, with the horizon line higher above her (as opposed to the one on the city below, but this cover is a composite rather than an ensemble). So what makes the previous perspective wrong? Simply that parallel lines, when seen in perspective, are farther apart from each other when they’re close, and closer together when they’re far. The points on the side of her body that’s closest to the viewer should be further apart than the ones on the opposite side: shoulder to hip to knee to ankle. 

So I now get this: 

What it should be

Please note that the pose is different a bit, because trying to redraw it on top of the existing pose meant that I was following the old drawing as a template and making the same mistakes. Plus it gave me a really stiff drawing. Anyways, please forgive how messy this is, I realized I needed it because it shows the perspective lines. 

With the sketch tightened, we get this: 

Fixed

Note as well the placement of the cape and hair. I’m following the flow of the action by having the cape drag behind her, her hair pulled back a bit like the cape; Superman in the BG has a similarly weirdly posed cape, simply for the pinup aspect of the piece rather than following a narrative flow. Basically, capes don’t move that way.

Original and Fix 

So there you go, eldritch48, my thoughts on Supergirl #1. 

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Catwoman, why does your butt stick out like that? 

Oh HAI tumblr! I apologize for my prolonged absence from this part of the interwebz, which was mostly due to being in pre-convention mode (art show and commissions and art for the con itself and being GOH and all that) and job finding (woohoo! Back to storyboards in August!), which all gets in the way of sitting down and finding + correcting bad T&A comic book art. I’ve received some questions and submissions from you guys, and I will get to them, thanks a lot for sending them my way!

Okay, back to … well, this thing.

It was tweeted to me by Lar de Souza who found it from Faith Erin Hicks. This is an extremely clear example of hypersexualised art, complete with requisite both breasts and both butt cheeks be not only visible, but highlighted, the spine twisted in such a way to accomplish the previous demonstration, and unfortunately no thought whatsoever in the logic of the pose as to how possible it is to perform. 

That said, overhead views are extremely difficult to draw because we are not used to seeing people from above. They take a lot of work to figure out if you don’t have a model (and even if you do, but it is easier). I didn’t have a model and there are things I know are wrong in what I did, but I don’t know how to fix them since I lack reference. 

Anyways… The original drawing, aside from being a big squashed bubble of butt and boobs, also has the head really off center, and the side of the face squished in while the right shoulder is elongated out, which exaggerates that off-center state even more. Artists, flip your drawings over once in a while when you draw. Things that seem okay in one direction may be skewed, so by flipping the drawing (either using “flip horizontally” if you’re drawing digitally or turning your page over and light-boxing your drawing) will allow you to notice those skewed and crooked things, which you can fix in flipped mode and turn back to the original way to continue drawing. 

The original’s pose is also all squished up, and there’s foreshortening on the arms but not on the hips. I tried to place the structure underneath, but it didn’t fit. So I did a sideways pose to try and figure out where everything was. That box at the top is shorthand for a camera. I’ve put some notes on the drawing, as you can see. 

So what should that pose be? If she’s jumping, there should be some extension. If there’s extension, there should be some contraction. And for interest in the pose, a twist at the waist is not a bad thing (it is if it’s exaggerated, but by now you know what that means and looks like). Contra posto means counter position, a thing the body naturally does to keep its balance. One hip rises, the corresponding shoulder lowers to compensate so you don’t fall over. 

Translating this into an overhead shot means figuring out first the general body direction, then where the shoulder to hip relationship is. And that’s where the problem often lies, in drawing poses like this: how do I show a narrow waist if my character’s ribs and hips hide it? So we try to smudge things, shift things, move pieces of the body in order to show that small waist because otherwise she’s going to look fat, no? Yes, it’s hard. It’s hard to overlap shapes and show volume. I fought with this drawing and redid the lower half of the body about five or six times before I finally dropped the stylus and declared it good enough for this purpose. I wished several times I had a model. Yet… I managed to place the head right, include the shoulder blade on the left arm, take in account that the left breast is pushed forward while the right one is pulled back with the right shoulder (and thus is less round, more stretched sideways); I made the left butt cheek rounder because it is flexing to pull the leg back and is pushed up by the back of the thigh muscles, and the right butt cheek is flatter because the muscle is relaxed since the leg is forward. These are all things to think about when you’re drawing a character, even a simplistic, stylised or cartoony one. You want the curves on the flexing muscles, and the straight lines on the relaxed, extended muscles.

Anyways, enough from me for now. I still have a pile of commissions to finish; I’ll get to some of the questions and submissions later this afternoon or tonight. 

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Stunner vs. Spider-Man. Taken originally from Eschergirls.

Okay, I know this is an old one. I don’t know where the skills of the artist are currently, but the picture was still in need of a redline and I decided it was worth doing. 

We all know about the fact that her organs are missing and her spine is like a snake’s, but the issue I’m mostly going to focus on is the overuse of the arched back that contradicts the intended action in this picture. It’s something I see happening a lot, and I redlined this in the Masochist redraw. It’s pretty much the same issue. 

The current line of action, on top of contradicting the secondary action of the arm holding Spider-Man up, is actually snapped at the pelvis in order to “enhance” the butt. That’s not how that works, artists. Nice round butts are round even when the leg’s back. Don’t be afraid to pose the legs back and draw that butt!

In this case, I changed the line of action to HELP the secondary action. And in order to convey that strength, she needs to have her legs well planted on the ground, and her body’s turned sideways to add to that stability. The contraposto of the hips to the shoulders works better now, and her arms actually convey strength as one holds up Spidey and the other is ready to punch. And, yeah, I roughly fixed Spider-Man’s proportions, because he was teeny-weenie, his arms were way too short and his neck way too long; I didn’t spend too much time on him as he gets chicken-scratchy towards the legs. 

But yeah, it all starts with the line of action, which will dictate a solid pose. Think it through, act it out, and THEN draw it.  

Eschergirls ghostarin submitted fixed @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

ghostarin submitted:

“Fixed” this.

I’m actually too embarrassed to post this, since it still looks so wrong. I wish I could change the pose, but I have- HAD no idea what she was doing. Oh well, showing it here just in case anyway. Since I actually worked on it.

My main point was to fix the absolutely disturbing anatomy. I had no clue what she was supposed to be doing - I guessed she was swinging upside down or SOMETHING? Anyway. I just let it be a mindless pose, I couldn’t care less honestly. The anatomy was what disturbed me the most. Do I have to say what I fixed?

… It wasn’t until I was almost done with the redline and saw that she’s supposed to be skating. HELL. NO. sfkjhkhgjkhg

Anyway. I hope you like! I surely don’t, but oh well.

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I am so sorry for how long it took me to get to this.  Anyway, great redraw, even if you still had to keep the pose.  :)

There’s only so much one can do with a terrible pose to begin with, and I think you dealt with it well.

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kanthara:

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lesstitsnass:

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Anyways, onto other news. 

You know how we often look at the weird costumes and wonder how the heck they stay on? My husband was reading some news stuff on his computer the other day and found something rather disturbing. To me, at least, as I despise thongs with a passion as I find them incredibly uncomfortable, the idea of wearing this… abomination to feminity just repulsed me. And then I decided I needed to share this gem with you, dear readers. 

Behold: The C-string. 

The C-string

I have no words. It’s like wearing an earmuff up your buttcrack. I guess it might make some particularly shameless cosplayers happy, though… 

Anyways. I hurt my hand a few days ago so drawing for longer than an hour at a time is a bit painful, but I’ve got a stack of comics to go through so I hope to have some new redraws to show soon. Just wanted to share the above with you. 

Enjoy… or something!

Whoa whoa whoa. Disturbing? Abomination to femininity? Dang, this is dripping with judgement in just a couple of paragraphs. I just lost a bunch of respect for you and this blog. There are plenty of uses for a c-string. In cosplay, I know Slave Leias who wear it, for instance. And what about dancers or strippers who may not want to take it all off?

I’m really surprised at the offhandedly disgusted way you’re talking about a perfectly useful article of clothing. There is nothing wrong with showing skin, and you’ve sure alienenated this “shameless cosplayer.” Unfollowed.

You know what? You’re totally right. This WAS dripping with judgement, and it was totally wrong of me to jump on this the way I did. Just because it disturbs me doesn’t mean I should be preaching it as something that’s awful to everyone. 

Consider me humbled and apologetic. 

And consider me derp from reblogging in the wrong place. This was meant for lesstitsnass. 

Funny how this image is over 5 months old and has @lesstitsnass

Funny how this image is over 5 months old and has had a recent resurgence. It must have been brought to my attention by at least four or five people this week! This illustration came out just before I started Less Tits n’ Ass, and actually was one of its inspirations. I was planning on fixing an illustration in such a way to pose the men as hypersexualised and the women in battle mode when I found this image which pretty much made my point for me. This is also how I decided to really focus on the women in my critiques, because the general male reaction to this illustration and others of the kind was how this failed because men don’t act that way and the drawing’s not as polished and and. You know, the general complaints of comparing apples to oranges.

I personally find this illustration brilliant, especially for how increasingly over the top the men become lower in the picture, and for the WTF look on Black Widow’s face. I do get the point that if this were targeted towards straight women the way the original was targeted towards straight men, the male supers should have looked like Harlequin Romance coverboys, but this just goes to show how pervasive the buttshots are in comics. It’s like they’re a requirement. 

Anyways, onto other news. 

You know how we often look at the weird costumes and wonder how the heck they stay on? My husband was reading some news stuff on his computer the other day and found something rather disturbing. To me, at least, as I despise thongs with a passion as I find them incredibly uncomfortable, the idea of wearing this… abomination to feminity just repulsed me. And then I decided I needed to share this gem with you, dear readers. 

Behold: The C-string. 

The C-string

I have no words. It’s like wearing an earmuff up your buttcrack. I guess it might make some particularly shameless cosplayers happy, though… 

EDIT: I was called out on this being judgmental, and it’s true. I’m thinking too much of how this is “normal clothing” in comics and seeing it in real life shocked me. I apologize for offending you, and I will strive to keep a cooler head in the future instead of jumping on things like this without really thinking them through. 

Anyways. I hurt my hand a few days ago so drawing for longer than an hour at a time is a bit painful, but I’ve got a stack of comics to go through so I hope to have some new redraws to show soon. Just wanted to share the above with you. 

Enjoy… or something!

Eschergirls deannambrigman when i saw this @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

deannambrigman:

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Very nicely done. :)

Reblog time! Another great redraw that I didn’t have to do because someone else got to it first. Really need to stop slacking! *lol*
Eschergirls submitted by dunstable thanks for @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

Submitted by dunstable.

Thanks for doing this. :)  And also thanks for including all the detail, including noting the change in your stance to be able to pull off the last pose.

This is what I mean by “get up and strike the pose you want to draw so you can feel it”. Thanks so much for this tutorial, dunstable!
This so much fail in that christopher hart @lesstitsnass

This. So much fail in that Christopher Hart anatomy shorthand and so much win for dawnbest.

Eschergirls alienheadtransplant @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

Someone’s a leg-man
I’m guessing since she’s a heroing action girl, some of that is because she’s wearing 5 inch heeled or platformed action boots.
I’d comment on her heroic action clothing and that the cuts on her torso provide a good argument against having an exposed belly when you’re melee fighting, but the guy at the back isn’t very clothed either, so maybe this is just a really hot place, or the Land Where Fabric Is Scarce.
Maybe the evil villain is like this fabric hoarder who taxes his subjects’ clothes and she needs to defeat him/her/zir (who probably is under 50 layers of robes) and bring clothing back to the land!

Actually, my husband tells me this can all be explained by Star Trek 4: she’s wearing armour made of transparent aluminium. It’s the only way to explain why these characters appear to be in their underwear!

Thanks for your support reblogs notes plugs @lesstitsnass

Thanks for your support, reblogs, notes, plugs, comments, questions, submissions and general finger pointing in the direction of art that needs a bit of attention. Keep ‘em coming! You guys are the reason I keep at this blog, because of all the new redraws I see other people do, because of the “angry” tweets I get about how I ruined comics for people by pointing out the bad anatomy for the sake of teh sexy, because of the “yes, this!” with the reblogs, and because of the “actually you should watch out for that thing you did wrong” so I can fix it.  

And a special thanks to Eschergirls, whose blog inspired this one, and who not only gives this blog here the regular plug back, but also has been especially nice and encouraging in what I do. MUCH LOVE TO YOU!

Eschergirls ghostarin submitted and im @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

ghostarin submitted:

And I’m back! (I’m sorry, I couldn’t help myself)

A redraw of this picture. I have never read these comics so I might have failed on their looks, but I’m more here to make a point (and to fix their anatomy/give them organs/etc lol.)

I’m really, really tired of seeing the same body types on female characters. It’s like saying; if you don’t have this figure, you’re not sexy, therefor you can’t be a superhero. Therefor you aren’t important. So to make a point that this is bullshit, I gave them different body types to show that all body types are damn beautiful. You don’t have to have the perfect hourglass to be beautiful (note that I’m not saying hourglass are ugly either, I just wish they could accept other kinds of body types as well) 

For the white haired girl (dunno their names, sorry!)  You know, I barely changed anything about her. Really. I just fixed her waist and made the breasts look less like balloons, and fixed her leg a bit. That’s about it. See, your waist doesn’t have to be super tiny (that barely holds up your breasts) to look good and strong.

For the girl next to her, I thought she looked a bit more thin, so I shrunk her breasts, and bam, she turned out a bit pear shaped. But even thin people doesn’t have painfully thin waist like that.

And the sitting girl, well, I mainly fixed her anatomy (or tried). Poor girl probably broke some bones in the original.

Also, when will they stop drawing girls with uniforms doesn’t squeeze their crotches? They should try it out themselves. I have tried. Uncomfortable as hell.

Anyway. I hope you like it, and that I didn’t do anything too wrong!

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Actually, without knowing the characters, I think you did a really good job giving them bodies that fit how they should look.  I also agree with you about having different body types, I mean even in terms of fit, thin women, there are all sorts of proportions and differences.  Too often, artists in video games, comics, etc seem to have just slight variations on the same body type, where you might get a thicker, taller woman, but the breast proportions are still the same, or a thin slender woman, but still, the same breasts, etc… I’m a girl with a body much like the way you drew Rainmaker (the girl with long black hair) and it is really nice to see a body type like mine in your re-draw (and I am already quite privileged to have a build much like what society desires, but in terms of video games, comics, etc, everybody with my build tends to have really large breasts too).  And again, like you said, this doesn’t mean there’s anything WRONG with the body type artists keep drawing, or that thin, athletic women can’t have big breasts, but it’s about diversity. :)

I think this redraw by Ghostarin is excellent. I’d like to note the treatment of the breasts, that are pulled apart and not squished together for cleavagetastic purposes, because the shoulders and arms are thrown back on all the characters! Artists, please pay attention to that fact! The ribs are a convex surface and unless the arms are going forward or clothing is designed to squish boobs together like a corset, breasts will hang and point outwards from each other, not towards each other. 

Also moving the woman on the left’s foot up means that she’s no longer on the same plane as kneeling girl, and thus isn’t sitting her crotch on kneeling girl’s head. Talk about unfortunate tangent…

Eschergirls ghostarin submitted fixed this @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

ghostarin submitted:

Fixed this picture a bit. Small improvement I hope?

I unbroke Sonja’s back and gave her organs, and made her breasts more, uh, possible? Also made their legs somewhat better..

Again, I’m not the best artist out there, but I couldn’t help myself.

The thing that bothered me the most though was their faces, or can I say, THE FACE. Seriously, if they aren’t supposed to be identical twins, stop it. Now, if it’s supposed to be that they’re alike, I still made some minor changes. Like, making Sonja’s face “sharper” and Sara’s rounder. Not much, but perhaps enough to see that they’re different people. :I 

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Nice!  I think you did a good job differentiating the two (I don’t know either character good enough to tell you if that’s what they “should” look like though) and showing that you can have 2 beautiful women and still have simple differences in the face that make them both look very different.  One of the big issues for me and others about comic art is that there doesn’t seem to be any consistent idea of what characters look like, and this is especially true with female characters where you have artists who seem to be able to draw only one female face and often, one female body type.  (I also blame a lack of internal art direction for this.)  Rather than going “okay Supergirl has a longer nose than Huntress” they seem to go “I’m going to draw a woman, so here’s what a sexy female face looks like” and that’s it, the only differences are hair, eye and skin color.  And as you just showed, it doesn’t take that much to make small changes that make a big difference.

Ghostarin, why am I not following you yet? I need to follow you. You’re awesome. 

Reblogged for excellent demonstration of both anatomy and different facial features on women!

Eschergirls morangopagen submitted i was @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

morangopagen submitted:

I was browsing around my picture folder and I found this picture. It’s one of the few comic books I actually purchased, and what got my attention was how nice was the cover (this picture). The nice coloring, the folding, lightning… but then, seeing this picture today… I realised something that made me say “oh NO

The BUTTS AND BOOBS POSE!!!

And oh gosh this one. This one is extremely painful, Jesus Christ.

Someone please redraws this for the glory of love.

AUGH!  There are pictures that are submitted to me where I just go “OMFG” and make an actual noise in real life when I see it (usually “AHH!”) and this is one of them.  Good lord, that’s EGREGIOUS.  I grew up as a huge Rogue/Gambit fangirl, but this really overrides any sense of “awwwww” I have, it’s so distracting (to say the least.)

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

First, skeleton and analysis: 

Next, fleshing it out: 

Third, how Gambit’s arm should now be:

Because if it weren’t for that, this would be a beautiful illustration indeed. But yes, the snapped spine (especially bisected by the cloak to make it more painfully obvious) is utterly distracting from the beauty of this piece. 

(also the fabric doesn’t work right between her breasts and her butt crack goes up way too high, but I’m nitpicking)

Eschergirls foervraengd submitted oh poor @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

foervraengd submitted:

Oh poor Harley…

I’ll just begin with how the overall body looks like when you roughly trace it:

Now, this drawing can be changed in two different ways, since the scene is supposed to be dynamic and that she’s “apparently” doing a quick movement, it will always be a butt-n-boob-pose.

I like this one the most, because it retain a lot of the original pose, doesn’t break hear spine AND we still get our lovely tit’s n ass. We are capable of turning our torso on some level. And this feels like the most natural one, but still keeps it dynamic.

However, if we really wanna keep the butt in the same pose, we can change the upper body instead. Although that requires some more redrawin’:

Here, her torso is turned the other way, and to keep the pose looking good. I switched the gun to the other hand. However, this pose is not as dynamic as the first one. So here comes the THIRD example:

On this one, the upper body is turned more into profile view. Although this was porrly done by me since I accidentally made the ass appear bigger than supposed. But at least now she has a working spine ;w;

And this is my first redraw btw! Was a fun way to kill time and test your anatomy-knowledge/skills.

That was a lot of fun to read too!  And I love the little things you threw in to each redraw.  WITH THE POWER OF LOVE I FIX YOUR SPINE!

This is a brilliant analysis and redraw. *nodnod*

Oh, and for what it’s worth, I’d started redrawing this one too so I might as well still add it. 

Eschergirls tinyskyvillage submitted quick @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

tinyskyvillage submitted:

Quick (and first ^^) attempt at un-escherizing… the arms position is still awkward, feels like there is a body building device missing ^^;

I love it!  And that quickly drawn face still looks very determined and heroic. :)

In one fell swoop of simple, straightforward and confident linework, the anatomy, perspective and expression of this character were fixed brilliantly. Bravo!

Thanks to theartrogue for showing me this @lesstitsnass

Thanks to theartrogue for showing me this… thing. 

I feel kinda sad when I see art like this, and then think “Oh, it’s Fathom, I shouldn’t expect more.” It shouldn’t be like this. 

I mean, look at this. The rendering is beautiful, there’s a lovely line quality, the colours are pretty, but the structure of the drawing is totally lacking! You cannot hide bad anatomy and posing with shiny rendering. 

As per usual, I broke down the drawing into what the structure is, and what’s wrong with it. Basically it’s a bunch of little things, all of them the usual culprits when it comes to drawing women in comics: both boobs and booth butt cheeks visible, snake spine, no rib cage, foot-in-buttcrack syndrome (which I also call Impacted Lower Leg), porn face, wedgie costume and superlonghairhides. 

As for the posing, the bent leg completely contradicts the swimming motion; the arms are twisted in impossible poses – the one closest has the hand palm up, but the shoulder twisted back so as to show as much boob as possible, whereas the back one is also so far up that her nonexistent shoulder blade would collide with the other one; her collarbone is drawn as landing behind the shoulder joint and she has no neck that I can find. 

Structure is everything. Mostly because I was focusing on the lack of ribs, I started by placing that, and everything flowed from this. I referred a lot to my favourite anatomy book (what the hey, here’s a link to it, I have the 1996 edition) because this is not a common pose, but my thinking was focused a lot on the action of swimming. Then from the skeleton, I did the flesh, concentrating on which muscles are flexing by striking the pose limb by limb. This is also how I figured out what was wrong with the near arm. 

The last image is a note about placing breasts underneath the body. The issue lies a lot in the ideas that we KNOW the breasts are there so that means we SHOULD see them, kind of like a child’s drawing of a table will show all four legs sticking out even though in reality we don’t see all of them. There must be boobs if this is a woman! Basically, you need to think of your structure. From the ribcage, I figured out where the sternum was, then placed my pectorals, and hung the breasts from said pectorals. We see a bit of the breasts in the final image but they are mostly hidden by the ribs and shoulder! Doesn’t mean they don’t exist. 

Anyways, I don’t like the final drawing I did when I added the hair and costume back in. The hair obscures too much of the silhouette and makes the far arm seem like it doesn’t belong. Even shifting the figure right so more of the legs and arm are showed to convey the movement didn’t help enough. I redrew the pose from the existing one, but after all this is done, I’d scrap it and try a different pose entirely. 

Priellan pariahsdream eschergirls @lesstitsnass

priellan:

pariahsdream:

eschergirls:

genderqueerbookshop submitted:

I found this browsing the Star Wars tag and….

I’m pretty sure Twi’leks can’t dislocate their spines at will and I have no clue what the Sith chick is doing.

I’m really curious what this looks like if you continued their bodies beyond this panel.  What is Twi’lek girl (is that Aayla?) doing?  Where are they standing?  What does the ground look like?  Are they fighting inside a sphere?

Okay this one I had to do. This is also for my April Drawing day 3 to boot.SO!

Pic One: Figuring Out WTF is Going On

As you can see, the pose is really weird once you try to figure out how they’re standing. It’s pretty obvious that the artist didn’t crop from a larger image, they just threw the two fighters into a space that doesn’t really let them breathe.

Also- boob flounder, redhead chick isn’t even looking at Twi’lek girl, neck and shoulder WTF’s.

Pic Two: Sticking to the Source

This was me attempting to stick to the same composition/general positioning while fixing the weird anatomy. It’s not bad, serviceable even but I had one more try for something I think might be better.

Pic Three: Let’s See What We Can Do

I wanted the same feeling of the red girl bringing the force line down on the Twi’lek so I put the Twi’lek on her knees, trying for a blocking sort of positioning (note: I don’t know anything about fighting but I did have the sense to google for ‘sword fighting’ or something similar to get an idea of what is in the realm of possible if not perfect). I like my version, but of course I would, right? ;)

Hi there! Love your redraws! :) There’s one or two things I’d like to point out about your Twi’lek’s kneeling stance that look wrong to me as someone who’s practiced kendo for about two years. The Twi’lek’s light saber’s angle doesn’t look right. It should be tilted up, not down - right now, if the Sith hits her with enough force, her own saber’s going to go down into her own head. I’d suggest lowering her arms a little bit and angling the sword up. (You can look up pictures of jodan kamae to get a better idea of what I’m talking about.)

Also, her left foot would probably not be bent like that. If you keep your foot bent under you while you’re kneeling and someone else hits you with any force from the front as the Sith is about to, you’re going to be sent down and backwards, right onto that ankle and foot, and with it bent like that, you’d probably break something. The top of her foot should be flat on the ground, and her toes should be pointing out behind her, so that if her body is forced backwards, her butt will end up resting on her heel instead of crushing it downwards and hurting her foot. Try kneeling down and doing it yourself, to help you see and feel the difference between a bent foot and straight foot. (I can draw all this out later if you don’t understand what I mean.)

Hope this makes sense and helps you :)

I’m going to go from here and see what I would do with this. Here’s my view of what’s happening in the rest of this image: 

We should be daaancing, yeah!

Okay, in all seriousness, I’m going to tackle this one one pose at a time. In the original, they do look like they’re dancing. It’s not clear what the dynamic is between the two characters. I think the Sith should be attacking the Twilek jedi. Right?

Following the same idea as pariahsdream, I found my perspective in this scene and reworked the pose to make it a real attack. And yeah, I may have made a silly cartoon face on my sketch, but the facial expression on the original is all wrong. She looks stoned, not battle-enraged. Note the pinch and stretch counter actions on the body in the redraw, which are nowhere but in the arms on the original. (One good thing about the original is that the breasts are actually raised with the arms, so point for the artist.)

If she’s on the offensive, her adversary should be on the defensive: 

And that’s how I’d handle this image. The Jedi’s actually going into a crouch, and will a split second later have brought her own saber horizontally above her head to block the downward strike of the Sith. I haven’t drawn the sword up because the opposing swing hasn’t started yet! It’s all in the timing of the action.

Hm, need to adjust the direction of the eyes on the Sith so she actually glares at the Jedi, not at her sword arm…

Blatheringon aprildrawing i adore x 23 but @lesstitsnass

blatheringon:

aprildrawing:

I adore X-23. But I’ve always felt that, for a “genetic twin” of Wolverine, she looks NOTHING LIKE HIM, which makes no sense. In my head, I picture her looking much more like him than her surrogate mother (with whom she does not share any actual genetic material). So this is my version of X-23. Much more scruffy and burly-looking.

I agree. Like most female comic books characters she looks like a supermodel. Where in Wolverine’s DNA did that come from?

This was posted in April Drawing and I had to share here. I very much agree with what Kythera is saying here, and I like this redesign of the character and the sentiment that was posted by blatheringon

What do you think?

Kalany lesstitsnass see its not just me @lesstitsnass

kalany:

lesstitsnass:

See? It’s not just me saying it. Thanks for the input, anons! :D

I keep thinking it would be really nice to have some way of working out what the actual demand-T&A elasticity of comics is. You’d have to figure out some way to quantify T&A in a way that would let you relate it across comics and artists. I wonder if you could get undergrads to tag comic panels with an exploitation index, average across responses, and use that as a metric. Then, if you could get sales figures, you could possibly work out some sort of statistical analysis of the change in demand per unit exploitation-panel.

Or possibly I’m a geek.

You are brilliant is what you are. *lol* 

See its not just me saying it thanks for the @lesstitsnass

See? It’s not just me saying it. Thanks for the input, anons! :D

Aprildrawing spread the word the challenge @lesstitsnass

aprildrawing:

Spread the word! The challenge starts tomorrow!

I know this is somewhat off topic for Less Tits n’ Ass, but I figured a lot of artists actually follow this blog, so how about we get drawing together? 

I started April Drawing Challenge in 2007 because I needed to get back into drawing for myself, since all I was drawing was work stuff. I sent the invite out to other artists and we got drawing for the whole month. Not everyone was able to keep up with the challenge of drawing every single day (I only did it twice, myself), but it did help me get out of a rut more than once.

So if you like the idea of the challenge, go on over and join! The more the merrier– or more inspired! 

I actually made a whole collage of bleez butts @lesstitsnass

I actually made a whole collage of Bleez butts from the ongoing Red Lanterns series, but then I figured that this particular frame tells you pretty much all you need to know. The frame has not been cropped - this is the ENTIRE frame.

It’s all about the butt, isn’t it? I’m also trying to figure out why there’s the hatching in the middle of the butt cheeks. There is no muscle crease there. And WHY was this staged this way? We don’t need her ass in this shot. 

Shoomlah a quick tribute to joe quinones @lesstitsnass

shoomlah:

A quick tribute to Joe Quinones’ amazing talent for drawing boobs.

Do I even need to explain myself on this one?  It’s just so novel to see a male artist working for the Big Two who is perfectly aware of how breasts fall, how they move, how they look supported and unsupported.  AND HEY IT MAKES HIS ART EVEN SEXIER FANCY THAT

Reblogging because HEY LOOK BOOBS THAT LOOK RIGHT AND VARIED AND DIFFERENT OMG. 

Plus I like the line quality, so there. 

Seriously, this above example makes me happy, because there’s distinct understanding of physics, weight, support and not depending on the outfit, and then how the outfit actually interacts with the breasts, meaning that the fabric is stretched between them, it doesn’t form into boob pockets like way too many supposedly skin tight suits we see in comics. I love this with much love. 

I really enjoy seeing all the comic redraws that @lesstitsnass

I really enjoy seeing all the comic redraws that fix the ridiculous figures and poses they put female characters in so I thought I’d try one of my own.  Mine isn’t as good as a lot of the ones I’ve seen, but I don’t think it’s half bad.  I took a picture of myself for reference.  I changed the pose to a more reasonable one.  I have no idea the point of the original pose anyhow.  I also, obviously, fixed the ridiculous elongation too.  It’s not perfect, but certainly an improvement. :)

It’s really hard to figure out what’s happening in the original image. Is she sitting? Crouching? Squatting? She’s made of overly long shiny sticks and there’s no ensemble to her pose anyways. Your redraw attempts to fix her pose, but you changed it entirely (and I don’t blame you). There are a few things to take in account in your redraw: while your proportions are far more realistic than the original’s, I’m not quite sure how your character’s right leg is positioned compared to the left, and if she’s resting her weight on the right hand, her right shoulder should be going up with that movement. 

You did use a line of action going through the whole character here, and you followed through on your whole pose: that’s really good and shows a lot more of a whole person rather than a bunch of person parts put together like a barbie doll. Keep at it! 

Eschergirls dredsina like i said i was @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

dredsina:

Like I said, I was redrawing Liefeld.

I had NO CLUE what to do with Tony’s mask, like wtf????

(Also I didn’t touch the little guy on the left because he’s pretty much fine…and likely not drawn by Liefeld, doesn’t have his hallmarks. Though his feet are standing on two different planes. 8/)

Thanks, Escher Girls!

This is a great redraw, and I like how you took that pose and made it work a lot better!  Her hand isn’t broken, she has room in her torso for organs, and her stance makes way more sense!  Also +1000000 points for fixing Tony’s face!  Given the original reaction to his face, I think you’re a hero to a lot of people right now just for that.

You know what I like best about this redraw? The pose has motion to it. There’s purpose. It’s not posing, she’s actually active. Her weight is supported in such a way that it counterbalances the forward motion of her right arm. And I LOVE that hand.  

Credit where its due lyanth made a first redraw @lesstitsnass

Credit where it’s due: lyanth made a first redraw attempt at this pose back at EscherGirls. While she didn’t quite succeed, I really very much understand her struggle at understanding and figuring out this pose. 

It is a really difficult pose to draw right if you don’t have a model. And even if you do, it can cause headaches. There’s foreshortening in there and lots of overlapping shapes and volumes which means normally, in a pose like this, a lot of stuff gets hidden from view. But this is Mainstream American Comics, kids, and boobs and butts sell! Right? Right?

Emma Frost is very very often treated as cheesecake and this picture is no exception, so I kept this in mind in my redraw. I’m not changing the intent here, just fixing the anatomy so that it looks more realistic. 

Like almost every pose I redraw, first thing I did was get off my chair and attempt to strike the pose as portrayed, which lets me know what it is that’s not working about it. The twist is possible, but not the leg position that goes with it. Bringing my left leg under me with my right leg back while trying to have my ribs lay flat on the floor sent a stab of pain from my left hip to my gut. The only way this works is if the ribs come off the floor. But if they do, then the arms have to shift to support the weight, and by now the whole pose is fubared. Also the way the chess piece is being held means her wrist is broken, because there’s no way the hand can bend back that far in that direction. This is why I insist artists should get up and strike the pose, so that they know what works for real and what doesn’t. 

The more I looked at the picture, the more it became apparent that Emma here doesn’t have any ribs. She has a definite hip and pelvis structure, but she doesn’t have the ribcage that should press down on her breasts and overlap the pelvis in her back, because the original artist wanted to show the lower curve of her back. She doesn’t seem to have any shoulder blades, either. 

Anyways, still lying down on the floor, I tried to figure it out. How do I keep the chest on the floor but still turn the hips? The only way is to lift up and bend my right leg, which raises my right hip, keeping my other leg straight on the floor behind me. So I got back to the drawing board and extended the floor perspective in order to place the skeleton. (I draw perspective grids all the time when I do storyboards and comics. They help a lot with staging.) Then I reworked the skeleton, making sure I got everything in there, taking note of where parts overlap and such. 

And once my skeleton is done, that’s when I add the flesh. And I know where the folds and squishes are. According to the ribcage’s position on the floor, the breasts will be mostly under her and squashed down, and not a lot of them will be visible. Actually, all parts that come in contact with the floor will get squashed to a certain degree because the flat surface is harder than the flesh: thighs, belly, arms, fingertips. I splayed her supporting fingers a bit more because they’re supporting the weight of the head; the chin presses down on the back of the hand with also causes some indentation; the hand holding the queen is redone in a pose that won’t send shooting pains and cramps up her arm. 

And because some have asked, I’m adding the redraw without the original underneath. 

I really wish I’d had a model to redraw this because the back leg gave me trouble, and it’s still not quite right, but I was able to tackle the rest of this thanks to my life drawing experience and my favourite Anatomy for Artists book, which is something I think EVERY artist should own. 

Eschergirls scloutier submitted i have made @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

scloutier submitted:

I have made it all make sense.


We now have, clockwise from top left:
1) the scenario going on between the aliens depicted by the original artist, which was not actually a fight scene at all, but a desperate attempt to cooperate despite the mind-controlling tentacle creatures attached to their heads.  

2) the original art.

3) what a fight scene between Artemis and Diana might look like, on a cliff in the moonlight in a temperate summer rainforest.

4) a context in which the poses of the aliens make sense for human characters.

I love all of this.

Me too. Awesome. 

Im not a professional artist in fact im still @lesstitsnass

I’m not a professional artist - in fact, I’m still learning. I know the drawing isn’t as “dynamic” but… at least she looks more, um, real? Less broken? Those feet just look painful, she has no spine, breasts doesn’t work that way, the pose tells me nothing, and I hate when they make their panties so high up it looks like it hurts. So I changed these things.

When I draw, I think more about personality, story, characteristics…

Should I make more, you think? /ghostarin

I think you should. 

You could have still kept the body twist and made it more realistic than the original pose, but at least YOUR proportions show her having legs that are the same length, and a butt cheek being pushed up by the thigh muscles on the leg that’s carrying the weight. 

Thanks for the submission! 

The death of star sapphire this week on green @lesstitsnass

The Death of Star Sapphire, this week on Green Lantern: New Guardians! Blasted at by a villain, her spine gets severed at–

Wait, what? 

She’s not dead? B-but her back, there… Didn’t it… 

Oh. Huh. So it… Okay. Basically, there was such a need for this image to show boobs and butt at the same time that the spine was bent halfway into the ribcage (which also seemed to bend the ribcage itself). What we have here is two halves that should be independent from each other. To demonstrate that, I decided to complete the body for each half. 

Using the top half, I worked with the fact that the blast pushed at the more flexible part of her body, and yes, that does mean arching her spine like she got shoved in the kidneys. Her hips drag the thighs forward, and the lower legs dangle back, because the main dragging point (that which pulls on the rest of the body) is in the middle of her core. I also figured her hair would be blasting in the direction of the force beam thing, as it offers less resistance to it than the rest of the body. 

I have to say the correction of the body using the top half was much easier than the one using the bottom half. The reason for this is simple: the legs as drawn in the original made no sense in how they were positioned considering there’s a big blast of energy throwing the characters away, so I ended up only keeping the hips in the current position. I did bend the spine back as far as it should go, and this means the push from the chest-laser-beam targets her back upper chest, which snaps the neck back, the arms up and back as far as they can go and the legs kinda dangle back… which doesn’t work as well as an impact pose as the first one considering the blast’s origin and trajectory. If the beam were coming from further left and hit her between the shoulder blades, maybe that would work, but as it is, the first pose makes more sense. Also, its silhouette is easier to read: I had the hardest time figuring out how to place her near arm in the second pose and no model around to refer on (my husband’s just not the right body type for this kind of thing), and no matter what I did it had to overlap the body, effectively making us lose the view of the body’s action. 

As you can see, though, the original drawing was of two halves of women on the same character. 

The last drawing is to show another note on breast anatomy. Breasts are basically fat and mammary tissue on top of pectorals. The pectoral muscle attaches from the clavicle and the sternum to the top of the humerus (upper arm bone) and the deltoids overlap the pecs to attach from the clavicle to the side of the humerus.  When you raise your arms, the pecs are pulled up and stretched from the sternum, leaving the muscle gap under the arm visible, and it often looks as if the pec and deltoid are just one muscle group working together instead of two distinct muscles. Just as the pecs get spread apart and pulled up, breasts get pulled apart and up. See that last couple of drawings up there, where I point out how the breasts get pulled up. Don’t forget to think of this even if the arms are down, but pulled back: unless your character’s wearing a really tight push-up bra, her breasts will be pulled away from each other by the arms, unlike on the original picture where she’s got the breasts together despite the clear lack of bra (yet another zipper down to navel, sigh). 

Now, a last note, just because I can’t resist a comment on the male anatomy… Kyle has a reaaaaally long torso on this picture. That’s because the ribcage and the hips are too far apart. Try it, how many fingers can you fit between your floating ribs and your hip bone? Also his pecs are too long and he seems to have one thigh twice as wide as the other

But at this point, I’m nitpicking. 

Eschergirls talesfromtheend eschergirls @lesstitsnass

eschergirls:

talesfromtheend:

eschergirls:

A) I love how drawing women to him means “drawing women who wear make up in a style I like” and that superheroines apparently spend a lot of their off-time applying mascara and eyeliner.

B) Men can’t wear earrings?  Women must?

C) Again, the intense fear of making women “masculine.”  Apparently nose bridges are only for men now.  We must inform our DNA of this! 

D) I wish he would stop using “woman” to mean just one really really thin narrow standard of beauty.  Supposedly, he’s teaching people how to draw WOMEN right, not “this particular woman, complete with make up and pouty lips.”

He’s not teaching us how to draw women as much as his (and society’s) artificial idea of what women should look like, complete with eyeliner, mascara and earrings.

I need to rebloob this because all, ALL of these ‘how to draw comics women’ and ‘how to draw manga’ books need to go away. They’re extremely harmful to the development of beginning artists. They’re completely counterproductive in teaching formulaic ways of drawing people and advocate doing things in a specific style straight off the bat, as opposed to learning the basics through realism and THEN stylizing with a complete understanding of *what* you’re breaking apart and reassembling and how it’s constructed.

There’s SO much more to human faces than predefined ratios and proportions and ‘ideal’ shapes, and by telling young artists to remove the exact most defining traits of human facial features (and anatomy as a whole) is like breaking their kneecaps and then telling them to learn to run. The emphasis absolutely needs to be centered on drawing and painting varied and interesting faces with personality in them, not some strictly predefined hyper-idealized features that leave out everything that actually enables us to tell one face from another.

I’m saying this because this kind of thinking really crippled my learning for years and I had to unlearn all this shit and start over from scratch. I wish someone had told me early on that I was doing it wrong and needed to do it THIS way to get any good at it.

I’m reblogging this comment because it’s absolutely correct and needs to be spread around.  This is exactly the problems with these kinds of “how to draw comics” guide because it’s really “how to draw a very very specific style” and the how to draw women stuff is really “how to draw women as I specifically like them down to wearing eyeliner” and it doesn’t teach you any basics to draw people and THEN you can add in your own preferences and styles, instead it’s really rigid and fixed.

Compare that to Lady Nilstria’s “how to draw women” guide:

http://ladynilstria.deviantart.com/#/d4rjhcs

which is way more general and teaches you the basics rather than how to drawn women the specific way she thinks you should down to how long their eyebrows should be, or how thick their lips should be.

And now I’M reblogging because I totally agree with what’s been commented before, because that how-to page is really narrow-minded and offensive (really? Eyeliner before I leave the bathroom? My nose is masculine? I’ll MAKE your nose masculine), and because I think I’m going to follow through on the suggestion that’s been made to write a book about drawing comic book and fantasy women in the same vein as I do this tumblr. I think I’d just need guidance to get started, and a deadline to get me working on it steadily. 

So… anyone know anything about guide book planning, structuring and composition? I could self-publish, but I’d like to see if I could beat back the Christopher Hart “fame” by getting a wide distribution… 

Purplemika kyuohki lesstitsnass hi im @lesstitsnass

purplemika:

kyuohki:

lesstitsnass:

Hi, I’m CK (virtualcara on Tumblr), and I draw stuff. […]

I really like this redraw.  Much sexier, her back isn’t broken, and her boobs aren’t bothering me as much.  (I have nothing against big breasts, but they don’t look like they’re hanging correctly in the original pic.  = x =)

While I agree that her waist could be a little thicker, and I like the new arm placement, I really disagree on the leg placement on this redraw. In my experience at beaches and pools people are standing still when the flip their hair (either as a joke, to be flirty or just to get it the hell out of their face), not taking a step forward. Why would you? Also, I’m pretty sure she’s standing still in the panel after this one, so having her walk in this one would be weird. 

Karine here. If I may explain - she’s not walking, rather she’s balancing in order to flip the huge weight of her very long, wet hair. Think of the leg in the back as the step that was taken backwards in order to throw the head back and flip the hair. If you’re leaning forward grabbing something heavy and then lifting it very quickly, like flipping a table, say, you’ll need to balance yourself so you don’t fall on your ass as you’re doing it. Leg goes back to catch your weight. 

Don’t believe me? Try this. Wet a towel and lean forward, then wrap it around the back of your head and twirl the ends so that they dangle in front of your face. Then throw your head back with your legs together and see how your balance works. Then do it with your legs apart, one in front, one back, a little apart. 

And if you say, “But she’s super strong”, I still say, “but it doesn’t look right”. 

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